Interesting experience

RV (luli123,GHIM),

Your ratings don't jive. Overall your rating is a 2. Yet all the other ratings you gave are 3 or higher. A simple average of the non-overall scores yield an overall rating of 3.7. A weighted average could give no less than a 3. Why did you give an overall rating of 2 to this most visible of ratings?

What do you complain about Tuk in your review? Her lack of debating skills. Do you really hire escorts for their debating skills? I find it hard to believe that Tuk would rather talk about her own topics. Good escorts focus on the clients and if she was focused on herself so much her ratings wouldn't be consistently high. Certainly you're the first client to complain about such self-focus. Also, if debating is so important to you it means that you're the one who likes to talk and Tuk may have been trying to accommodate you. From your long postings you seem to be one who likes to go on and on.

You then complain about her coming from the dentist and being in pain. Well, aren't you compassionate? You could have canceled or postponed the booking, and sent her home. Who's self-absorbed now? Tuk, who in her pain, still took care of you, or you who overlooked her pain for your own pleasure.

Then you gripe about her rates. If you're referring to her recent price increase and drop, then your review is not the place for that (plus she addressed that topic neatly in a reply). If you aren't referring to that then why did you book her twice? Dude, it's basic Economics. If you don't think she's worth the price then don't book her.

Fact is, you did book her. Twice, knowing her prices, the way she dresses and acts. If she dresses "slutty" or isn't "high-class" what does that make you? Why don't you book those escorts who are cheaper and higher class as you say?

Also, if you don't like the way she dresses, did you request she dress differently or offer to buy her appropriate clothing? I mean, if her manner of dress is so important to you, why not solve the problem?

Why did you wait until now to post a review? The answer is that you wanted to see a review that gave her bad ratings. That's why you berated Erich for his recent review. No bad reviews were forthcoming so you did it yourself.

And the big question is: Why do you have it in for Tuk? Let's figure it out...

* You admit hiring her twice. If she merits only a 2 in your view why continue to book her? By your own admission there are other, better, cheaper escorts. Answer - there's something about Tuk that has your focus.

* Tuk refers to you as an ex-client. If she had ripped you off, given you a disease, or very poor service you would have mentioned it and you would have mentioned it sooner in a review, not months after the booking. Therefore the problem is not with her but with you, something you did or did not do to cause her to reject you as a client. So what did you do or not do? Did you insult her relatives or something? Why did she make you an ex-client?

* Tuk has asked you to leave her alone both publicly and in private. Why do you harass her so? The answer, I believe, has two parts.

One, you're a control freak, one who sees himself as having power. That Tuk, an escort, rejected you is something you can't accept. You have to be better than her.

Two and more obvious is that you're in love with her.

These two reasons are why you can't leave Tuk alone. You want her and you can't have her. You can't communicate directly with Tuk so you feel you have to publicly attack her in hopes of sparking a reaction from her. That's your way of communicating with her.

This also explains your overall rating of 2 for Tuk. Sure, your other ratings might actually be fair but the overall rating is the most visible and you gave her a 2 out of meanness. How else can you explain it? Do you give such high weight to debating skills?

Tuk's responses to you on this board have shown class. Repeatedly she's asked you politely to leave her alone. Your responses show little class. You think you're better than her but you're not. Why else do you try so hard to drag her down to your level? How much does it bother you that right now she may be with someone else and it's not you, that it will NEVER be you again? It sucks to be you.

Get a life. Hire one or a handful of the cheaper, classier escorts you write about and then post reviews about them in a timely manner.

Yours,
Horny Hacker

P.S. Yeah, I expect you and your buttmonkeys to respond back with your typical tactics: Attack the writer. Change the topic and rant. Show off your superiority. Well, go ahead. Have fun. Whatever. If you expect Tuk to accept negative comments you'd better do the same. Otherwise you're nothing more than a hypocrite.

Dear All Readers,

Luli123 (RV) is an ex-client who wanted to book me for a whole year, asked me to find a new condominium up to 12 millions for us to stay and have a serious relationship but I refused for reasons that remain private to us. Then he offered me for 4 days trip to the Philippines in November 2009, 2 weeks trip or 2 weeks booking in May 2010 and 2 months booking in July and August 2010. I refused all of his offers and bookings. Now he get angry and attack my business.

He sent me harassment emails to my private email address, tried to blackmail me in different ways. After I did not respond then he continued on this site and also other sites to get a reaction out of me and bring down my work. What he is doing now shows what type of person he is.

He could have posted a review after either of his two bookings but didn't because he was jealous that I might get more bookings as a result. His recent review of me is trying to convince people to think of me in negative way and understand me wrong.

I am not a perfect escort but at least one time I had a guy like him try to book me for a full year.

Tuk.

HornyHacker(GHIM, pimp/friend/ghostwri ter of ST or I do not know what else),

I will make it short, because some hobbyists want to have a reply on your nonsense or at least on the parts which are it worth.

1) Rating system for reviews
I am not responsible for an overall rating. We rate the points you also mentioned and at the end the program comes up with an overall rating.
If you want to know how it works exactly, then contact an administrator.

2) Debating and communication skills
ST, LT sessions on the one side and LTR on the other side are completely different. In fact, when I stay together with an (high class) escort for about one week, then I expect a little bit more than receiving BJs. It is my experience, that at least the majority of escorts will agree with me.
With regards to my rating for Tuk this point has been taken into consideration for my "Overall Service Rating". What can you expect for a certain amount of money...

3) Dentist
It has been a cosmetic treatment. Nothing what had to be done two hours before a longer encounter starts. Why didn't I send her home.
Well, as I have mentioned in my review, Tuk is a friendly, nice person. It is not a punishment spending time with her. I have made this point very clear in my opinion.
I mentioned this point to explain my rating for "Job Attitude". Again before a longer encounter started, for which she received a higher amount of money, Tuk met her dentist.

4) Rates
I do not refer to her recent "price increase". Tuk has already been relatively expensive before. Relatively expensive, a declared top class companion...
Is it not allowed to see a service in relation to its price? I think, this is also business Mr. "Would like to be Super Clever"!

5) Booking twice
Yes, I booked her twice. Again, it is not a punishment booking Tuk!

6) Way of dressing
Well, this point is in a certain way subjective. As I mention in my review text, other clients may describe it "stunning" or "sexy".
I do not want to pop up names of other escorts advertising in this forum, but these ladies know how to dress. Furthermore in my opinion I have given Tuk a hint concerning this point ("dress as in private").

7) Date of posting the review
Normally I am not the guy posting reviews. I appreciate the work of all reliable members here doing it regularly.
Tuk appreciates receiving reviews, then she knows if a client "was happy, very happy or not happy at all."
Furthermore posting a review has no priority for me. Now, I have posted a review, which is logical in my eyes and Tuk's pimp or whatever is coming up.
I have to admit, that I am clustering reviews and assign writers to clusters.

8) General
I have made two things. A posting in a already running discussion about Tuk's new rates and posting this review.
The discussion about Tuk's new rates was started by an other client of her, who was sad, because he could not afford her any more.
I do not understand, why you think, you can act as a lunatic and run a campaign against me. You can be ensured, this is not helpful for Tuk's business in which you are very much interested.
Finally to avoid misunderstandings in the future, may be Tuk gives some explanation in her ads and makes clear what makes her being a "High Class Companion" or a "Top Class Escort".
I am sure, Tuk will furthermore have clients rating her with five stars and who will have the best time of their lives with her and who will come back to Bangkok because of her.
I have posted my review and forwarded informations which are important in my eyes.

Tuk (ST),

your comment is not clever at all. This charade level is not helpful for you.
I will not delete my review at all, when somebody comes like this.

When two persons are talking about one and the same dentist, then the first one declares the dentist being a high class dentist and the second one declares him being a butcher. You know this well. :-) Simply different opinions!

There is no number one escort in Thailand.
There is not one style of escorting, only.

Take it as a lesson and be careful with phrases.

Luli

luli123,

You're back with more of your lies and not so clever innuendos and as always you change the topic. OK, let's look at your points to me...

Calling me GHIM is cute but stupid since Tuk already identified you as GHIM. I simply added the mention that GHIM was German and not Thai. Ehh, that's a LIE for you.

Calling me a pimp is also a LIE since you have no proof. LIE #2 for you.

Friend of Tuk? I guess. I don't know her directly but I've added her as a friend on this site. Hmmm, I added you as a friend too. LIE #3 friend.

Ghostwriter? I wish. She needs more "Dudes" in her writing. LIE #4 Dude.

You make it short?!? Yeah right.

1. You *ARE* responsible for the overall rating. It's the first rating under "Overall Attitude and Service". LIE #5.

2. See #1. If you value debating skills so highly then why repeatedly book Tuk and try to book her for a whole year? Not a LIE but HYPOCRITICAL.and compounded by the low overall rating.

3. "Tuk is a friendly, nice person. It is not a punishment spending time with her. I have made this point very clear in my opinion." You know, I think this is the TRUTH.

4. Apparently price is no object for you if you tried to book her for a whole year and have her find a condo for you two. Who are you to judge what her rates should be if you're willing to pay them all he same. Not a LIE but HYPOCRITICAL.

5. The TRUTH. Very good.

6. OK but if it's so important to you why not solve the problem? Offer to buy her clothes that you approve of and make it a fun shopping trip? Count this as a MISSED OPPORTUNITY.

7. "I appreciate the work of all reliable members here doing it regularly. " No you don't. Who is reliable is your judgment. I believe Erich's reviews more than yours. Not a LIE but HYPOCRITICAL.

8. "I do not understand, why you think, you can act as a lunatic and run a campaign against me. You can be ensured, this is not helpful for Tuk's business in which you are very much interested.
Finally to avoid misunderstandings in the future, may be Tuk gives some explanation in her ads and makes clear what makes her being a "High Class Companion" or a "Top Class Escort".
I am sure, Tuk will furthermore have clients rating her with five stars and who will have the best time of their lives with her and who will come back to Bangkok because of her.
I have posted my review and forwarded informations which are important in my eyes."

Apparently you're the lunatic for your constant attacks and not-so-subtle innuendos against Tuk. If you're not, simply leave her alone and I'll leave you alone. Life will be good for all.

Actually this may be helpful for Tuks' business because the more you attack her, the more I'll defend her. I do this for fun. Beats studying.

Tuk, like every other escort or business, doesn't have to explain anything. If you think she shouldn't use a particular phrase, tough. You've already mentioned it once. Hammering on the topic over and over won't change anything.

9. "your comment is not clever at all. This charade level is not helpful for you.
I will not delete my review at all, when somebody comes like this. "

Huh? As is becoming too typical for you, you make up stuff. Tuk never asked you to delete your review. Read it again. *NEVER* - LIE #6.

10. "There is no number one escort in Thailand.
There is not one style of escorting, only.

Take it as a lesson and be careful with phrases. "

Again, Huh? What the hell are you talking about? She doesn't say she's #1 at all. LIE #7. Is that last line a threat? What if she's not careful with phrases? Are you going to attack her online? Wait, you're already doing that...

Dude, get a life.

The text of the review has been abbreviated after a couple of weeks. The complete review is as follows:

I booked Tuk two times. First time for 1.5 days during a weekend in Bangkok and second time about three weeks later for an eight days trip to Phuket. Tuk replied on e-mails professionally and fast. She always arrived on time. She was friendly, helpful and tried hard to please and to make her client having a good time with her. When staying with Tuk for a longer time it is better to talk about her topics of interest. If you can do this and if you are even interested in her topics, then good and interesting discussions are assured. Unfortunately Tuk is not open for not sharing her opinion. She is a bad debater and seems to be helpless as soon as her proposals, style and opinions do not find agreement. I am not sure, if she has an own opinion about general topics or if she simply repeats what former customers or "client friends" told her. For our second and longer encounter Tuk came less or more directly from a dental clinic, where she had an appointment for a cosmetic treatment. Being able to give a beautiful smile to her next customers was very important to her. For me personally this fact has not been positive. Tuk was tired, her tongue made her pain and her mouth has been full of plastic and wire, which made her problems to speak and to eat. Never mind even an unexpected event like this should not create frustration at the beginning of a holiday trip. :-( At the airport next day Tuk's dental construction broke. It was uninstalled in Phuket a couple of hours later. I enjoyed the time in Phuket. A good week of laziness. No problem, I had no concrete expectations. Spending time with a new "friend" can be fun enough. Tuk pretends being a "High Class Companion" or "Top Class Escort", when advertising. In Tuk's understanding being top or high class has to do with offering a wide range of sexual services and having high rates. I think, there are some more criteria to be taken into consideration for the definition of a "Top Class Escort". Being objective and comparing Tuk to other providers, then she does not justify her rates and pretension. There are many nice, pretty and beautiful ladies else, who are available for less than 50 % of Tuk's rates, who have a better articulation and who are furthermore better companions in public and have real natural charm. I classify Tuk being a "sex worker", this is her expertise. If the main focus is on many different sexual services offered by a provider, then she is the right person. She is a good companion for so called "adult tours". Her dress style was "slutty" during our encounters. May be other clients describe it "stunning" and "sexy".

luli123,

Abbreviating your review served no useful purpose (other than to gain you activity points and push my last response down the page) and still doesn't hide the fact that it doesn't make sense.

In particular the section: 'There are many nice, pretty and beautiful ladies else, who are available for less than 50 % of Tuk's rates, who have a better articulation and who are furthermore better companions in public and have real natural charm. I classify Tuk being a "sex worker", this is her expertise. If the main focus is on many different sexual services offered by a provider, then she is the right person. She is a good companion for so called "adult tours".' does not match your actions of trying to hire her for a FULL YEAR and failing that to hire her for repeated bookings. If, as you say, there are other better companions available why did you make such as earnest attempt to continue hiring her? If she's merely a "sex worker" your attempts to further book her show that this is what you wanted and makes irrelevant your complaints of her lack of debating skills, her "uniform", and her rates.

Your review,, low overall rating, and comments are absolutely discredited by the fact that your writings come AFTER you became a (disgruntled) ex-client. That you write out of anger towards Tuk completely clouds any objectivity that you claim to possess.

- H. Hacker

TUK'S POSTING EXPLAINING THIS MAN'S MOTIVATIONS:

Dear All Readers,

Luli123 (RV) is an ex-client who wanted to book me for a whole year, asked me to find a new condominium up to 12 millions for us to stay and have a serious relationship but I refused for reasons that remain private to us. Then he offered me for 4 days trip to the Philippines in November 2009, 2 weeks trip or 2 weeks booking in May 2010 and 2 months booking in July and August 2010. I refused all of his offers and bookings. Now he get angry and attack my business.

He sent me harassment emails to my private email address, tried to blackmail me in different ways. After I did not respond then he continued on this site and also other sites to get a reaction out of me and bring down my work. What he is doing now shows what type of person he is.

He could have posted a review after either of his two bookings but didn't because he was jealous that I might get more bookings as a result. His recent review of me is trying to convince people to think of me in negative way and understand me wrong.

I am not a perfect escort but at least one time I had a guy like him try to book me for a full year.

Tuk.

HornyHacker,

I took the time and read what you have posted in this forum up to now (including your original block with comments).
You described yourself being a 21 years old Californian student who has never been in Thailand and has never met Miss Tuk.
You forward your comments acting based on a noble motivation. I presume, that your are much older and that you are one of these American hedonists, who try to survive in Thailand with a tourist visa and no chance to receive a resident visa.
These hedonists have normally no change getting in contact to Thai mainstream people and not at all to higher social classes. Bar girls and call girls are local Thai persons to whom they can establish contacts, because you can buy these persons' time, at least at the beginning.

My review about my time with Tuk is much less hurtful for her call girl/escort business than it is your support for her.
I have honestly made clear what she is, what she can do and what she is not. There was not at all sarcasm and 'Thai soap comedy' from my side.
My final motivation to post this review was Tuk's price policy in September/October 2009. Checking her market in such a style was not honest.

Nevertheless, I had to give one star more (average). Two stars (not worth the money) is may be too hard comparing her to providers in Thailand.

Oh yes, you talked about lies from my side. I am not a liar. Concerning incorrect informations let us simply start with 'your' escort's ad here:
"My name is Tuk and I am an independent English speaking friendly Bangkok based female Escort. I am a 29 years old Thai woman, born and educated in Bangkok. I am 5'2'', weigh 105 lbs with a slim 32B-25-36 figure."

The first three sentences of Tuk's ad contain at least two times an incorrectness or at least two lies using your words. One incorrectness is for ex. Tuk's information about her age, which is in fact well over 30. A further incorrectness is her information about her figure. It is not to be complained, but she is a small A cup. Why is she having a problem with this? I will not refer to Tuk's smug and soapy comments here. If I did, then I would really hurt her reputation, what is not my intention. My intention was a review for hobbyists.

Luli123
I hate pimps/loverboys

luli123,


Yes or no - did you try to book Tuk for a YEAR?


*****

TUK'S POSTING EXPLAINING THIS MAN'S MOTIVATIONS:

Dear All Readers,

Luli123 (RV) is an ex-client who wanted to book me for a whole year, asked me to find a new condominium up to 12 millions for us to stay and have a serious relationship but I refused for reasons that remain private to us. Then he offered me for 4 days trip to the Philippines in November 2009, 2 weeks trip or 2 weeks booking in May 2010 and 2 months booking in July and August 2010. I refused all of his offers and bookings. Now he get angry and attack my business.

He sent me harassment emails to my private email address, tried to blackmail me in different ways. After I did not respond then he continued on this site and also other sites to get a reaction out of me and bring down my work. What he is doing now shows what type of person he is.

He could have posted a review after either of his two bookings but didn't because he was jealous that I might get more bookings as a result. His recent review of me is trying to convince people to think of me in negative way and understand me wrong.

I am not a perfect escort but at least one time I had a guy like him try to book me for a full year.

Tuk.

I really appreciate you guys who take their time reporting scams and negative experiences here. Your advice saves me a lot of time, money and frustration.
Just ignore pimps and other retards, incoherent whining about reports.

Just be careful of all these "posts" defending the so-called escort here. Just the way the "posts" are written should give you a clue what is going on.
I travel around and meet the best girls in person at clubs, discos, go gos, universities and shopping centers.
When I decide to take someone is based on attraction and talking to that person. Never based on photos or set rates. Your chance to h i t i t up well with an escort from internet is slim and you could overpay and receive poor service or waste time on someone who don't care. Don't be lazy to get around and talk to some girls in person. You will be happy because you will get G F E from someone who likes you, not only watch the clock to get paid.