Forum - How I see the war in Iraq

Oil is the blood of Economy
Perhaps that's why the wars for it are so bloody :'-)
I can't even imagine how many human lives will be saved when the value of oil will be reducted by some new alternative fuel (made, for example, from water or earth)!

And I can't imagine how dangerous is the life of those inventors who are working on such a perfect fuel!

Sandra, I don't like Bush either, in fact I think he's lower than whale shit, but I took offense to that statement. I am a high functioning, fully independent autistic man, though I do not see my autism as a disability, society does and because of this I have to face the dehumanizing stigma with the disabled people. Yeah, I went through LD classes until I was in 7th grade, but I'm not stupid either, my autism is a trade off; social skills for higher-than-average intellectual skills, I just have a different way of learning than most people do. With that being said, I'm actually damn proud to be autistic, many great inventors, writers, and philosophers were aspies just like I am.
People think segregation ended only because they don't see disabled people as humans so much as they see us as charity cases, embarassments, "forever children", or broken toys. In today's overly PC age, people are too trigger happy to accuse someone of being racist or sexist, but these same people are willfully ignorant to the fact that they as a collective society, openly scorn and humiliate people with disabilities or people they percieve to be disabled. It's hypocracy. We bleed the same color you or anyone else bleeds. I'm sure those people if theyr reading this post (and I don't doubt some of them are here) are dropping their teeth just seeing that I'm on here, that I'm not some virtuous, squeaky clean, boring, white-bread, straight-edge, church going stereotype. Well let me assure you I am an independent MAN.
I'm not here to really argue, I don't wanna make enemies or anything, but that statement just offended me. I'm not one of those PC idiots either who insist that because I'm a minority I can't be wrong, being anti-PC doesn't mean I can't respect other cultures or ways of being, it just means I'm not gonna kiss their ass, and I will hold them to the same critical standards I hold a straight, white, male to.

So, Warren, and are you a President? No.
But Bush is a President. Yes. And it's a pity for the whole world.

Nobody wants to say that autistic people are bad. But everybody knows that an autisitic person would not be a good President.

That's a rather generalizing statement. No, I never did claim to be president, nor would I wish to be a president. But not every aspie buckles under pressure, we are very logical people (well, many of us any ways). There are very wealthy aspies out there who operate businesses and make decent livings, names like Albert Einstein, Isaac Newton, and Bill Gates, theyr probably making or did make more money than your making. Did you create the internet? Or revolutionize modern science? So am I to assume all NTs (non-autistics) are useless at computers or science?
But that's not my point, rather we are presidential material or not, we deserve to all be respected.

I'm not inferior because you or your society says I am, I'm not "defective", I'm different, and I'm proud to be different. The only wall I face is the wall of a society that can't accept different as equal, or accept anything considered by them to be disabled as equal in human value (rather it's a legit disability or not). Kotik, your last comment seemed to prove everything I've stated, 30 yrs ago you could take this exact argument and replace autistic with black and NT with white and you'd have the same situation, a white person who deems non-whites as defective, inferior, less intelligent, unworthy of status, "forever children". Why? Because it's the same attitude that was fostered by the eugenics movement that targeted disabled people and ethnic minorities.

I'm not trying to get defensive or jump down your throat, honestly I'm not, because really you don't know better, society has always fostered and bread this attitude and most people aren't even conscious of it. I just wanna make it a civil discussion where hopefully something positive can be learned.

I agree with Warren and think you shouldn't summarize autism and some other mental illnesses that are quite worse. It's only terminology but it is meaningful!

Sorry. I agree I really did it!
But it also means that G.W.Bush seems to me even worse (sorry also for this word) than an autist, he seems to be quite more seriously mentally ill.
Note for all: it is only MHO.

Well it'd be nice if you'd not put it in such a negative way; "worse than autist". It's pronounced "autistic", and it's not all bad, I'm not really even disabled, society says I am disabled, but it's well noted and statistically proven within even the medical community that it's a trade-off, I lack social skills but I've got higher-than-average intellectual/creative skills in place of them. Many if not most of history's great minds were aspies, or were strongly thought to have been (autism was categorized in the medical community in the 80's and some lived before this time).

Albert Einstein, Isaac Newton, Thomas Edison, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington Carver, Nicholie Tesla, Emily Dickinson, Bill Gates, Fredrick Nieztche, I could go on and on.

As you can see, I have wrote sorry also for this word before.
I'd only add sorry for my not native English though it is not actually the worst here :)
I agree that the list of celebrities is quite not complete, that's it!

Acceptable.

I have no mates who would say that an autistic person is worse than a standard one though we know the difference.

Well, that's the thing, many people aren't conscious of the fact that they are prejudiced against people with disabilities. Even "nice" people, for example "advocacy" people, often treat us more like charity cases or "forever children" than human beings.
And disabled or "disabled" people, are the exception in society's attitude towards discrimination, as hypocritical as that may be. We are the one group that it's socially acceptible and "ok" to scorn and humiliate. "Progressive" is a minstrel show, you need look no further than the democratic debates where they took the lowest functioning, cross-eyed and drooling, wheel chair guy they could find, to stick cue cards in his hands to say what THEY wanted him to say..... The general idea seems to be that we're "forever children", and not disabled or non-autistic people further seem to think that they should voice our opinions FOR us, rather than letting us speak from our own experiences..... What if out of "pity", whites spoke for blacks? Chances are, you'll agree that the black people had a right to be pissed.
Rather people choose to acknowledge it or not, it's that condescending behavior that is the problem, some slave owners were "nice" to their slaves, it doesn't mean it was ok for them to own slaves. Disabled and autistic people really are segregated. A large part of this is the stigma and a society that is taught to value ignorance. I don't usually bring up my autism unless there is a reason to do so. But on the few occasions I have, there was a time when I was in a bar and a lady said "if your autistic, why are you here" and when I smoked a bowl and some lady stated "oh my god, i just smoked with an autistic guy". I am not a "virtuous", goody good stereotype, but this is evident that society holds people like me to their stereotypes, and to be honest they often further silently condemn us if we don't fall into their stereotypes. I am not a shelter kid, I am an independent man. I'm of coarse just trying to help you understand here where I am coming from, I'm not at all on the defensive here.

The stigma seems to rotate around the mindset that has been bred sub-consciously from the eugenics movement, the same one used against ethnic minorities. With autistics and disabled, we're seen as "defective".