Forum - Big busines dividing America

I posted this before but I wanna post it here where it might gain some attention.
To begin with, most all of america and allying nations are currently brainwashed and being pitted against one another, you might call it "liberal vs. conservative", both labels are extremely ignorant. In fact the ONLY difference is that conservatives are biased against minorities and liberals are biased against majorities. A nation divided is a nation weakened, and a nation easier for the grabbing. In American society today we have theocratic jesus nazi republicans battling PC freak lunatic delusional liberals.
But, big corporations created those labels, they run both major parties, currently big businesses make fortunes off of the problems they create among the people, yet the people keep fueling them.
9/11 was a false flag attack, sure the Islamic extremist had a hand in it but so did the Bush adm. It is no secret that the Bush family has long had close ties to the Bin Ladens and the royal saudis, and they are all rich in the oil industry, yet our gas prices are soaring.
9/11 did several things for a police state agenda, it restored blind faith in a system gone bad, it provided a scape goat (arabs), it also provided an excuse to launch a war and highten security, which also lead to the Patriot Act. Bush also gave business the rights of individuals, and they've risen to take the power away from the people. In fact theyr growing richer off of our problems.

I mean just look at how materialistic our society has become, everyone has to have the most expensive clothes, the most expensive car, etc etc, mainstream cultural outlets (ie music, movies, television, etc) have such a grip on peoples' minds that they think mainstream is the only thing out there, or the only thing worth checking out, but really it makes people dumber.
What was the first thing Bush told America directly after 9/11? To go about your day and spend money, does anyone remember that speech? All this blind materialism is only making the tyrants stronger and that much closer to taking over our nation.
It is not a "liberal" thing, or a "conservative" thing, it is not about male or female, or color, or sexual orientation, it is about financial class, the super rich vs. everyone else.

I have to disagree with you statement about the liberal being for one segemet of socitey and the conservetaives being for the other.

This is a misconception established by both political parties to benift their personal objectives.

Do you realized tha the term Hispanic was not intented to identifiy one of the nationanalities in America but, specifically to identify the Cuban population of Florida and other areas of the country. The Republican party established this term when Richard Nixon was running for president. The Cuban community has consisently vote for a conservative government while the Mexican American communtiy has consistently voted for a liberal government.

Since that time the govt has gone to the exstream and has identified every segement of socitey into a seperate ethnic group. The purpose is to cause a seperation of society and to pit one ethnic group against another. It is well documented and is used to control the society of America and, it is used by both parties.

There are really only two classes in American socitey. Those who are wealthy and those who are not.

If you look at the news, today, Congress is try to shorten the amount of time they have to spend in session! More money for less work. This time off would be spent on tax payer paid political junkets and time for them to raise money for their up-comming campanings.

Over the years congress has consistently given themselves more raises than any othe segemt of socitey has ever had. Politicians are not in the business of representing the people but to futher their own finicial gains and presonal goals, i.e. : to keep themselves in office, and rich at the expense of the rest of society poor.

If you look at financial records there are more wealthy liberals than conseratives! It is a fact.

They only way to change this is to register to vote and start voting out career politicians. They are out of touch with reality.

I do not care for whom you vote, just vote against the incumbent.

I believe I read this post when you first posted it and have been searching for you for some time.

I have been hoping to find some one who is politically aware so we can get out some info that the "News" doesn't want the regular people to think about.

This fits quite well to the term that sounds, as I remember, like A Consuming Society or smth like this.

I like this term or expression, though it seems quite sad to me sometimes...

If you think this is bad, Yahoo.com news had briefly posted an article about how the"millionaire middle class" was having trouble finding homes.

Can you believe it? The govt now considers Millionaires to be middle class. What's that say about our politicians and the way our society thinks.

My sister's income is about $2,000 dollars a month but she can't buy health insurance because of her medical history and she can't qualifiy for aid because she makes too much money!

How the fuck does the government expect people to survive? That's one of the reasons she moved in with me. She couldn't afford to live any where else, and now she can't afford to pay her medical bills.

The government, gladly, gives medical aid to illegal alliens but you think they give a shit about the poor in our own country?

PLEASE, REGISTER TO VOTE TO VOTE AND VOTE OUT THE INCUMBENTS. That is the only way we are going to change things.

The term you are thinking of is: A consumer based society. That's what the FED, Alan Greenspan, called us.

Thank you all.

Well it's funny, when you hear my reasoning with where I stand on all the issues, I'm all over the board. This label game people play reminds me of high school with all the "cliques" though, really. People are often too controlled by their emotions to rationalize through them.

1. Illegal immigration is a problem. It has nothing to do with the fact that a high percentage of them are brown, I would treat an illegal white european alien the exact same, it is an economic issue. We do not have the resources to take in the world's starving, we have to look after our own needs for survival first. It creates a drain on our economy and on our resources, it does not take a gun-ho nationalist to see why we have borders. We must be able to regulate who is living in our country, must know of their criminal backgrounds if they've got one, and they should have to pay the same taxes as the rest of us. Open borders is bad because it means even larger government, which means companies and corporations have even more power, the government has even more control, we'd be under UN law which is VERY different from what a freedom loving nation is used to.
2. Legal immigration, if properly managed, is a good thing.
3. Seperation of Church and state must be up-held, it is a halmark of a free and equal society. I am opposed to having laws and policies being made off political bias. When one man's religion is another man's law, this is an infringement.
4. Gays deserve the same rights as any other citizens. While I personally think marriage is an out-dated concept, I do believe it is peoples' right to get married if they so choose, and marriage is not a "christian" tradition. Every religion under the sun has ways of marrying people, and marriage out-dates Christianity.
5. Gun rights must be protected, so that the people can defend ourselves from our own government in the situation that they try to take us over. This was the biggest reason behind the 2nd amendment in the first place. Freedom is not free, it is the reward of men who gave their lives to protect it from a) government intrusion, and b) occupation of a foreign army.
6. Major corporations need to be put in check, I like many of the reform party's ideas on this. The power must be returned to the people.

Republicans are biased against majorities, liberals are biased against minorities. Republicans are too aggressive, liberals are not aggressive enough.

It'll take a lot more than voting too.... Voting most likely does not do any good. I mean look how Bush stole the elections. And the voting machines, most of the independent party ballots will especially tell you this, that these machines are believed by many to be rigged.

Another thing is within the right to bear arms, when America was founded it was a mandatory duty that all citizens served in the citizen militias, this kept the government in line. However at some point, the people got slack on their militia duty over some number of years till eventually the government medias began demonizing the militia.
When I say militia, I do not mean the national guards, they answer to the government, whereas the constitutional militia answers to the will of the people. Within the militia duties were also the enforcement of union laws, meaning we should not have a police force the way it is now, it is up to the citizens to enforce the laws. Not only to enforce them, but to question our laws, vote on our laws, and if we see fit, challenge our laws.

Although, in all honesty, decision-making should be left up to the intellectual and moral awakened and conscious few amoung society, this right not being about status but rather about one's ability not to let their emotions cloud their judgement or not to let them make bias and unfair decisions. The majority is not always right, I am certain if lets say, back in the 60's if civil rights were voted upon, blacks would have never beaten segregation. Reason being because whites were the majority, and institutional, unquestioned racism was the norm among many of these whites at the time.
That also should make society strongly question their attitudes about disability. Just like with the blacks, they were reguarded as "not intelligent enough for freedom and equality", whenever they acted out they were labled as "trouble makers", the image 95% of white society had of them was "shucking and jiving leroy sitting by the lake and eating fried chicken and water melon".
That is not very different from how people treat the disabled to this day, in fact it is the exact same thing. The stigma is used to hold us down into exclusion, marginalization, scorn, humiliation, and with-holding our full sexual identities. We are percieved as a "burden" by much of able-bodied society, and even the "nice" ones (ie "advocacy", counselors, etc) often treat us more like charity cases or spectacles than equal human beings.

Yeah but decision-making should be mostly left to those intelligent and honest enough to represent the unbias common good of the people, our citizens. If stupid people weren't allowed to vote, Bush would not have been elected because his honest vote margin would have been such a landslide loss that he would not have had the capability to rig the election.
Intelligent people will pay the price for the retarded masses if the retarded masses have an equal right to vote.

Actually, today, in America the majority of illegal immgrants are not form Mexico but are from Asia and Eastren European countries.

The phrase "New World Order" was started by big business and has been incorperated by every politicians since the 1940's. Government has always been controlled by the Industral Government, the unseen power behind the face.

NAFTA, supported by both Democrates and Republlicans is a way to erroded the life style that Americans have worked hard to develope and because big business can hire legal and illegal aliens at cheaper wages, business does so and under cuts the Amercian Society. People all over the world think of Americans being rich, what they don't realize is what the cost of living in this country is.

In Europe, the powers of individual countries have been stripped away by the implementaion of the EURO. One monetary system for an Entire Continent. For the simple reason, it was convient for Business. What's that tell you?

The goal of Big Business is to destroy all boders and make the world a place where Business is the govt. Big Business makes the profits and the politicians follow the money. This way they will rule the world by the wages we are paid.

The second Admendment was establlished not for the "Militia" but, for the individual. The Militia is a state sponsored military, the Minuet Men were citizen soldiers and that is to whom the Constitution refers to as the Militia. This admendment was writen to insure that no king would ever come to power in America. The Constitution also state, The people have the right to over throw the government when it is deemed to be non-responsive to the needs of the people.

Watch Homeland Security. the FBI, CIA and every one else put me under a microscope for posting this entry. FUCK EM!

In America the President is not the king and you are incorrect in thinking that one man has that much power to influence so many policies. The real Kings and Queens of America are the Politicians.
They can serve for life and it is the people who are stupid enough to keep voting them in that keep us in the same shit we have been for years.

In the 1970's Barbra (Bouncer) Boxer, Ted Kennedy, Nancy Peolsi and many other politicians were elected for the sole reason that they promised not to become Career Politicians. Well, each and every one of them is still in office.

If that is not bad enough, the people of the United States of America voted 86% in favor of having Term Limitations on the Congress and Senate Members of this country. The Supreme Court ruled it Un-Constutional.

The Constitution states: They will of the people will be abided by a majority vote of two-thirds of the electorate. That's you and I. We said we didn't want career politicans and the Court Fucked us.

It is the career politicians that govern this country and fuck us every day. They now want to extend their recess by 70 days, give themselves another pay raise and have more time to take tax payer paid junkets and raise campaing money.

Yet the U.S. Military and Veterans have not recieved a pay raise since 1956! Congress passed the Cost Of Living Adjustment (COLA's) in 1976, (for the simple reason that the veterans, black, white, brown, red, and yellow were going to revolt the same way they did after WWI) and claim that is a pay raise for the Military and Veterans. Yet Congress has voted themselves pay increases from $75,000 to $175,000 a year.

When a politican, one of their staff or a govt employee travels to an appointment they get paid $0.47 a mile but, when I go to a VA appointment I only recieve $0.11 and then they take back $6.00 for admistrative work. Who is responsible for that? Our Elected Officials! I am a 100% Service Connected Disabled Veteran (that means all my wounds and broken bones were suffered during my time in the service)and my country fucks me and every soldier and vet every day!

I agree, the Draft needs to be re-instuted! Not just for Military reasons but for the reason of teaching the youth of our country what responsibily and self reliance mean. It is something this country and the world has lost. I don't care if it's military, Habitat For Humanity or any other community work project. Let them learn life and freedom is not free.

The adolishment of the draft has led to the down fall and decay of the Amercian Society. People knew, either go to school, get a job or get drafted. Responsibily. Pay for what you get.

Talk about campaing money, did you know that the Campaing Reform Act only affects members of Congress that were elected after it was passed. So Politicians like Kenndy, Boxer, Pelosi, Schumar and every other son of a bitch that was in office prior to it's passage gets to keep every penny they've ever raised for political campaings? They are all Multi-Millionaires.

These are the people we need to vote out of office.

I served 3yrs 2 mos,11 days 2 hrs and 35 mins and 47 seconds in the Army and 20 months in Vietnam before I was 21. I have an FBI file on me because I became an anti war protester while I was in Vietnam. I went to UCDavis to earn my degree in political science and pre-law. I was going to be a politician but, I wasn't immoral enough to become a politician or a lawyer. So saying that politicians are intelligent and moral is an oxymoron. It Ain't So. Show me a moral and honnest politician and I'll show you one who just got elected and is not on one comittee.

So, if you think I don't know what I'm talking about you are mistaken. I was one of them. I worked for the late Congressman Alphonso Bell and Senator Alan Cranston. Cranston got busted in a sting not because he was doing any different that any other politican but because he was the biggest supporter of Veteran's Right and Military pay raises there has ever been. Pissed off Big Business. I loved Cranston. In 1976 the VA had Fee Treatment Cards, I could go to a private doctor and the VA would pay for my service as long as I was connected for it. My doctor wanted to do an operation on my leg and I informed and requested permission from the VA. My case worker was a Vietnames Immigrant and he never answered my letter, after the operation the VA refused to pay the hospital and doctor bill. Cranston made the VA pay the bill and got me a new case worker. I had complained to the VA for years that my case worker was discriminating aginst me because I was a vet and he was found negligent of his duties and fired. He was discrimanating against me.

Lately, politicians have damned the VA and the military for poor medical care. The same happened during Vietnam War. I was in a VA hospital and had rats on the floor. But, the congress had cut back finaces for the VA and Military because it was peace time. If the politicians wanted to blame some one for the criminal conditions of the hospitals and care they should have looked in the mirror.

Did you know that every member opf Congress only pays $1.25 for child care? You and I pay the rest. I was in D.C. the day a man on tour had a heart attack but, he wasn't allowed to use the Ambluance that sits under the entrance to go to the hospital. Congress was out of session that day and they let the man die rather than let him have "Their" ambulance. What's that say about the people who continue to be re-elected? Now, they have 2. 1 for them and 1 for us. Shit, we pay for both of them, who the fuck do they think they are?

I was in Congressman George Miller's office one day and he came up to me and said: "I'm Congressman Miller." Like I'm supossed to be impressed. I replied,"I'm Capt. Paul H. Haynes, USA Retired. You discrimnated aginst me when I was in Vietnam. Fuck You, you sever at my convience." He shut up, turned around and walked into his office and closed the door. I comleted my business with his office staff.

Vote the Ass holes out of office. The president isn't shit, in the big picture!

Recently, an episode of "The Unit" had a woman tell her husband her family represented the real power of the world. And, it's true. There are about 12 families that inter-marry in order to keep the wealth and power secured, firmly, with in their grasp. And if you think I'm full of shit check you history of Westren Civilization. The Kings and Queens of Eurpope were all relateled by marriage or blood. The same powerful families exist today.

If you are a person in today's society the best finiacial advise I can give you is to buy stock in some of the companies traded on Wall Street or invest in government securites. Never take a dividened or sell your stock. Re-invest them and make them grow bigger, lock them in a trust so they can never be sold, do the same with any land you own. This is the only way for you and I to earn wealth. We won't see it but maybe our grandchildren or their childern will.

It takes time and paticence to aquire wealth and power and it is time, "We the People" took back the power that is RIGHTFULLY ours. As we used to say: "Power to the People, Power to the People, Right On."

I know man, I've been trying to enlighten people to this crap for quite some time, but the way reality TV and shit has fucked up peoples' minds, "cool" or even "normal" is unreasonable. Hell our current society be it consciously or sub-consciously treats war and civil rights activism as team sports!

Like if I have a bright red apple, I say the apple is red, but the person I am talking too WANTS to believe the apple is blue. So his argument becomes "how do we know what blue is?" or "Blue is a social construct", well common since tells you it's a bullshit, irrational argument, but you can't really put in into words why. If someone --wants-- to believe in something that bad, they will totally obstruct logic and side-step the obvious to the point where nothing registers as knowledge in their brains. And most people will either --want-- to believe in christian extremism or PC fanaticism. Yet, they won't admit it verbally, but if you are conscious of this you will see right through them.

I think we need to begin by returning the public's minds to them, letting them see that there is a better way..... But talking with logic does not seem to work, I'd need a non-autistic person who knows how to talk to their emotions, once people open up emotionally then perhaps they'll listen to logic. Of coarse I'm not trying to start a political party or anything though, hell I'm too poor to do that lol.

Check out this party, I think it could be good but it needs a few minor adjustments:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Patriot_Party

I think it needs a bit of working on though, but the principals are there. However our constitution needs to be up-dated.